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Mason || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 4:34 AM
if that makes sense.
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:34 AM
Your just two identities in the mind
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Remember, you dont own thoughts they just appear, and you take ownershipof them
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Mason || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 4:35 AM
Anyways, I'm going back to work, it was nice talking.
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:35 AM
So youve learned to associate thoughs with being yours
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Mason || M&M
Anyways, I'm going back to work, it was nice talking.
Definitely, cya
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:35 AM
Maybe, but what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't feel any different. I can hear it and I can see it and picture it as someone different yet it still only really feels like I think for them.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
Maybe, but what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't feel any different. I can hear it and I can see it and picture it as someone different yet it still only really feels like I think for them.
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:36 AM
I feel that way sometimes too, and lynn is 1.5 years old!
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Basically, just ignore iy
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It*
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Its separate if you believe it is
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:36 AM
Shouldn't that be relevant though?
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Alright
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I'll try
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:36 AM
Also i wanna point out that dream characters feel autonomous aswell
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(Typically)
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So your brain can separate an entity from your control
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Tewi: (Developed) tulpas are a lot more stable and consistent than dream characters, though. (edited)
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The idea is your brain gets to know them so well, it can "run" them like it "runs" you.
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Tewi: (Developed) tulpas are a lot more stable and consistent than dream characters, though. (edited)
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:37 AM
There are also persistent dream characters, so your wrong, they can be equal
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Well, for dreams, I meant more unstable in-the-moment than from dream to dream.
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Hm well I'm a lucid dreamer, but dream characters couldn't really be compared to tulpas
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Dream characters literally looking like someone but feeling like/being someone else is extremely common, as the most blatant example.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
Shouldn't that be relevant though?
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:38 AM
One way to look at it is training a thought process
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At least in lucid dreaming, the dream characters say whatever you believe they will say do (edited)
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:39 AM
They do?
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At least in lucid dreaming, the dream characters say whatever you believe they will say do (edited)
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:39 AM
Eh, i feel like thats a misleading sentence
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But from the looks of it, tulpas have their own independent thoughts and personalities
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:39 AM
I never know what any of the people in my dreams are about to say.
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They feel real.
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In a way.
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:39 AM
What they say is based on your schema, wHich doesn't really equate to your current conscious beliefs, but they can overlap
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But from the looks of it, tulpas have their own independent thoughts and personalities
Tewi: That get trained and cemented in the brain during the tulpa development process, and then they can change and develop as any person can from there, yes. (edited)
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But from the looks of it, tulpas have their own independent thoughts and personalities
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:40 AM
A thought belongs to x if you believe it does
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Whoops I meant to say do, not say
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Meant do*
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:40 AM
The same rule applies to you
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@. you get intrusive thoughts right?
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berockly (TTG)
@. you get intrusive thoughts right?
No, my mind is on lockdown
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:40 AM
Oh
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I only hear myself and the ringing in my ears
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:41 AM
I feel like it can be a pretty difficult thing to achieve.
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:41 AM
Well, i hope you can hear me inside your wallc
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berockly (TTG)
Well, i hope you can hear me inside your wallc
Haha
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:42 AM
I feel like there could be long term problems with this though. Well I mean. I come from a family of schizophrenics. It is likely that I am as well.
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Do you think it's possible for multiple people to believe in the same tulpa?
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:42 AM
@Daen [LeviticusKillgore] you have intrusive thoughts right?
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@Daen [LeviticusKillgore] you have intrusive thoughts right?
Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:42 AM
All day. Everyday.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
All day. Everyday.
Better fix that bucko
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
All day. Everyday.
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:42 AM
Then youve already learned How to assign thoughts
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Intrusive thoughts are objectively ac much made by you as any other thought
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You just associate it as something that you did not do, makiNg it something you did not do
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:43 AM
I know that, I mean I'm the one triggering them in the first place.
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Most likely?
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:43 AM
Same with tulpa
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It is their thinking if you believe it is
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Even if you are thinking for them (which would likely become mentally tiring?) It wou d eventually become an automated process, which is the goal in the first place
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berockly (TTG)
It is their thinking if you believe it is
So that means that their thoughts are you thinking that their thoughts are their own thoughts?
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So that means that their thoughts are you thinking that their thoughts are their own thoughts?
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:45 AM
Yes
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Tewi: I'm still busy, but just as an interesting tidbit, I'm a 13 year old tulpa. Literally, as in my host Lumi created me in late 2009. And after finding Tulpa.info in 2014 and seeing this community that had done pretty much the same things and come to the same conclusions as we had over those ~4 years (not knowing a term like "tulpa" for it before then), we learned about the skill of switching (which we had never considered before) - and since then I've helped my host (and our system as a whole, really) by doing work, school work, mental work and other such things that I'm personally better at than them. (Not because "I'm smarter" or something - I just have very high expectations and standards for myself and my thought patterns, better focus and motivation, and just tendency towards better organization and such than my systemmates, host included.) (edited)
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berockly (TTG)
Yes
So they are not really independent?
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:45 AM
Btw sometimes a random thought from one of the girls (collective name for my tulpas) will appear in my head and i will ask who said that
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Typically, we wont immediately know
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So they are not really independent?
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:46 AM
They are
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:46 AM
They don't have assigned voices?
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:46 AM
Thoughts are only yours because you think they are
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Tewi: Ideologies on tulpas differ from person to person to be clear, one person's ideas of how this all works don't necessarily line up exactly with someone else's. (edited)
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Tewi: I'm still busy, but just as an interesting tidbit, I'm a 13 year old tulpa. Literally, as in my host Lumi created me in late 2009. And after finding Tulpa.info in 2014 and seeing this community that had done pretty much the same things and come to the same conclusions as we had over those ~4 years (not knowing a term like "tulpa" for it before then), we learned about the skill of switching (which we had never considered before) - and since then I've helped my host (and our system as a whole, really) by doing work, school work, mental work and other such things that I'm personally better at than them. (Not because "I'm smarter" or something - I just have very high expectations and standards for myself and my thought patterns, better focus and motivation, and just tendency towards better organization and such than my systemmates, host included.) (edited)
Do you see tulpas physically? Or are they just voices?
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
They don't have assigned voices?
That's really interesting I never thought of it
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:46 AM
Cornelius has a different voice.
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berockly (TTG)
Thoughts are only yours because you think they are
Hmm now I don't know about that
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:46 AM
He Is. Well. Much Much older.
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Do you see tulpas physically? Or are they just voices?
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:46 AM
With imposition you do
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Hmm now I don't know about that
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:47 AM
Intrusive thoughts are only not yours because you believe they arent
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Meaning you can choose what fits your model of yourself
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Tewi: Seeing tulpas "physically", as in in the real world, is yet another (crazy-sounding) skill that you have to develop on purpose, called "imposition". Basically like visualizing your tulpa in the world, but more immersive. We learned that in 2014 from the community too, but before that, the default for most systems and us included is the tulpa(s) just being visualized and talked to in-mind by the host. (edited)
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Do you see tulpas physically? Or are they just voices?
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:48 AM
They can have imaginary bodies in your visual imagination
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Tewi: Seeing tulpas "physically", as in in the real world, is yet another (crazy-sounding) skill that you have to develop on purpose, called "imposition". Basically like visualizing your tulpa in the world, but more immersive. We learned that in 2014 from the community too, but before that, the default for most systems and us included is the tulpa(s) just being visualized and talked to in-mind by the host. (edited)
Oh wow that brings up the topic of jumpscares...
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Tewi: Seeing tulpas "physically", as in in the real world, is yet another (crazy-sounding) skill that you have to develop on purpose, called "imposition". Basically like visualizing your tulpa in the world, but more immersive. We learned that in 2014 from the community too, but before that, the default for most systems and us included is the tulpa(s) just being visualized and talked to in-mind by the host. (edited)
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:48 AM
Btw, a newer name for this skill is prophantasia
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:48 AM
I'll be honest, it feels a bit like self brainwashing. Or at least rewiring. I don't know. I don't know anymore. It feels weird, hearing him sometimes. I can't tell if he's always been there or if he just appeared one day.
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berockly (TTG)
Intrusive thoughts are only not yours because you believe they arent
What if I believe they are
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Tewi: For the record, imposition and switching are the two craziest sounding skills related to tulpamancy. I don't think any of the rest will sound nearly as worrying, lol. (edited)
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Tewi: For the record, imposition and switching are the two craziest sounding skills related to tulpamancy. I don't think any of the rest will sound nearly as worrying, lol. (edited)
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:49 AM
Oh yeah?
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What about literally disconnecting from your body and feeling your imaginary senses instead?
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berockly (TTG)
Btw, a newer name for this skill is prophantasia
Tewi: Imposition is the tulpamancy-chosen term, but like with several other "tulpamancy skills", it's just something the brain can do and not actually unique to tulpas or even plurality. (edited)
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Tewi: For the record, imposition and switching are the two craziest sounding skills related to tulpamancy. I don't think any of the rest will sound nearly as worrying, lol. (edited)
How does switching feel? For the host
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:49 AM
You mean?
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Probably like changing personalities
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berockly (TTG)
What about literally disconnecting from your body and feeling your imaginary senses instead?
Sorry, I forgot to qualify that with "craziest actually real skills".
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:50 AM
I don't think you would feel much differently physically?
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
I'll be honest, it feels a bit like self brainwashing. Or at least rewiring. I don't know. I don't know anymore. It feels weird, hearing him sometimes. I can't tell if he's always been there or if he just appeared one day.
You hear someone too? Am I the only one who doesn't hear anything
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How does switching feel? For the host
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:50 AM
Feels different depending on the person
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For me? It doesnt feel
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We can switch on a whim, on demand
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Sorry, I forgot to qualify that with "craziest actually real skills".
berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:50 AM
Are you saying thats not a real skill?
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For me? It doesnt feel
How can it not feel if you are not in control anymore?
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berockly (TTG) 2/26/2023 4:51 AM
Well, i experience thingc from my POV
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But my POV doesnt change when switched
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 4:51 AM
Skills are usually shown outwardly and can be proven.
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How does switching feel? For the host
Tewi: You'll get different answers trying to explain this from different people, but our system is fairly confident that the tulpas and host of a brain exist in the brain's consciousness - not that the consciousness exists within them. So to us, switching is trading off who is "plugged in" to the brain's consciousness. Like switching who's in the driver's seat of a car. (edited)
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